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Volg datum > Datum: maandag 16 september 2013, 15:2416-9-13 15:24 Nr:261227
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Bij deze wat info over de bietenpulp, enige wat ik er over kan zeggen is dat sinds ik gestopt ben met het voeren van bietenpulp, ik het laatste stukje gevoeligheid van mijn paard op kleine steentjes kwijtgeraakt ben.

1."Control of Odors in the Sugar Beet Processing Industry http://www.gewater.com/pdf/Technical%20Papers_Cust/Americas/English/tp490.pdf

2.Pros and Cons of Feeding Beet Pulp by Dr. Catherine Dunnett, University of Liverpool
3.I've been intending to compile the information I've posted in the past on beet pulp into a document here in the files section for better accessibility and I just have not had the time to do so in the past few weeks. As I gather more info, I will post it here. What I can tell you is that there is VERY LITTLE documented evidence on the problems with beet pulp. This is primarily because the research has not been conducted. Something in the beet pulp seems to cause inflammation in the horses and in their hooves - and they are often tender-footed / sore-footed but this will be masked by shoes. We don't really know what it is in the beet pulp causing the problems. It might be the beet pulp itself (a waste product of the sugar beet industry) or it could be the formaldehyde or other chemicals used in the sugar extraction process that remain in the beet pulp/fiber. Beet pulp is almost all GMO - and so it could be something engineered in the plant. Or possibly mold, or an insecticide, fungicide or herbicide. What we do know is that quite often the people who remove beet pulp from their horses' diets (or the senior feed containing beet pulp) and the health of the hooves improve and they cease being tender on gravel. Many of you have been willing to remove the beet pulp from your horses' diets and found that the their symptoms of being tender-footed sore-footed have disappeared following the elimination of beet pulp or feeds with beet pulp in them. * I THOUGHT I KNEW of one person who has barefoot horses, rides a lot and claims to feed beet pulp successfuly. But she wrote recently to say she stopped feeding it several years ago. She used to advocate rinsing it 5 or 6 times before feeding it as even the 'unmolassed' forms will turn water black - and this 'black' or dark water is likely to have an assortment of chemicals in it. So if you choose to feed it regardless of the warnings and risks, please rinse, rinse, rinse and repeat! (In addition, this particular person is an endurance rider and logs a lot of miles on her horses all year long. Other than the addition of beet pulp, her horses' diets were similar to the 'reasonably natural' diet we advocate...
4.Is Beet Pulp Toxic to Horses: The Real Story http://ezinearticles.com/?Is-Beet-Pulp-Toxic-To-Horses---The-Real-Story&id=759474

5.One equine vet, Susan Garlinghouse, has been an outspoken supporter of beet pulp on her website. However, she has publicly reversed herself on her opinion of the safety of giving beet pulp to horses with laminitis issues or known sensitivities to sugars.
April 20, 2004 04:36 PM

"When I first started goofing around with beet pulp years ago, I had a number of samples analyzed for simple sugars, all of which came backvery low. However, I was recently forwarded a copy of an analysis of some beet pulp (admittedly, only one sample) in which simple sugars ran incredibly high, over 30%---which for a seriously insulin resistant and/or Cushinoid horse with laminitis issues, could potentially be catastrophic.

"In addition, it might also be an explanation for the occasional rider who reports they can't feed their horse beet pulp because they get whacked out on even the molasses-free stuff---which never made sense to me, given that there aren't supposed to be simple sugars in beet pulp (and weren't, given the lab reports I had).

"Whether this one sample was a random event, or possibly a current trend towards sloppier refining practices, I don't know. I guess the important issue is that there seems to possibly be wide variation in the residual sugar content in commodity beet pulp (as versus the commercially processed beet pulp in proprietary brands such as Unbeetable or Complete Advantage).

"In any event, and strictly FWIW, I'm changing my recommendations regarding feeding beet pulp to horses with even a hint of insulin or laminitis issues. I still think beet pulp is a very valuable feed, but I now strongly recommend that it be fed only after soaking in wildly generous amounts of water *and* then pouring off the water and rinsing the beet pulp with fresh water to remove the water soluble simple sugars. It won't remove the pectins and soluble fibers that make beet pulp such a useful feed, but will just remove any excess sugars---and if there are no excess sugars there, then no harm done. "In the meantime, I'm rounding up some more samples of beet pulp from sources around the country for analysis and will see how they comeback. Stay tuned. :-))"

Susan Garlinghouse, DVM,

MSSUSAN E. GARLINGHOUSE, DVM,
Volg datum > Datum: dinsdag 17 september 2013, 21:2717-9-13 21:27 Nr:261294
Volg auteur > Van: van Kralingen Opwaarderen Re:261292
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US! Maar het is niet alleen de GMO waar het om gaat.
Volg datum > Datum: woensdag 18 september 2013, 17:2018-9-13 17:20 Nr:261311
Volg auteur > Van: van Kralingen Opwaarderen Re:261299
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sinds 25-2-2010
joop schreef op woensdag 18 september 2013, 10:17:

> > Er kleven ook nadelen aan bietenpulp en het beste is helemaal niks bij te
> voeren. Als om diverse redenen bijvoeren (tijdelijk) toch nodig is kan je
> gerust bietenpulp gebruiken. Wat mij betreft blijft het de 1e keus in

> Om te genezen van maagzweren en andere gevolgen van krachtvoer moet je
> soms een handje helpen.
>
> (hoeveel mensen op PN eten nog vlees waar GMO in zit)

Ik heb lange tijd bietenpulp gevoerd maar mijn merrie bleef licht gevoelig op kleine steentjes, na overgaan op alleen een geweekte gras brok (in combi met hooi/paddock paradise en beperkte weidegang) is dit verdwenen. Wat het precies is dat hier de oorzaak van is (in de pulp) weet ik ook niet maar heb het veranderd n.a.v. de info die ik hier gepost heb.
(Vlees eet ik sowieso vrijwel nooit meer en alleen biologisch).
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